Bruce Allen: Canadian Hero

[Dougald]

I don't know if you read the Sun this morning but there were two front-page stories and two inside stories regarding music manager and radio personality Bruce Allen.

It appears as though his thoughtful and accurate appraisal of certain immigrants (fit in or get out, I believe he said) has garnered the attention of ethnic media and ethnic politicians looking to promote their own agendas (which, coincidentally (sure), run counter to everything Mr. Allen has stated).

They're calling him a racist, a hate monger, and saying that he should lose his position on the radio and with the Olympic committee and that free speech must have strict limits.

Of course, I'm conveying this with the help of a translator given that the meeting in Surrey was attended by dozens of old immigrants in strange and foreign beards and turbans and conducted entirely in PUNJABI.

Don't they get Mr. Allen's point? If anything, their unwillingness or inability to hold the meeting in English only reinforces the need for them to conform to Canadian standards or leave.

The Chinese and the East Indians are outraged (at least more recent immigrants) while the rest of the country suffering under an unflux of foreign values and increasingly hostile demands for us to abandon our values and traditions for the "new Canadians" rejoice that the truth has been broadcast for all to hear.

Mr. Allen is the voice of average Canadians and no amount of threats from the ethnic trouble makers is going to change that fact.

[Ralph Klein]

Mr. Allen is the voice of average Canadians and no amount of threats from the ethnic trouble makers is going to change that fact.

I'm not afraid of some ethnic trouble makers and their bomb like shaped turbans.[]

[Fornicator]

Bruce Allen spoke the truth. If the truth is not defensible then we're all in trouble.

[Fornicator]

Country seems to be working pretty well, HomoD.

Most of the "need" for more immigrants is to provide services for the other "new immigrants".

It's a vicious cycle and it seems Canadians have had enough of our country being taken away from us.

[DDD]

quote:Originally posted by Fornicator

Bruce Allen spoke the truth. If the truth is not defensible then we're all in trouble.

So true Forn man and as for Homo boy f*** OFF

[NSgirl]

We need to encourage Canadians that are already born and raised in Canada to have more babies,so we don't need to rely so heavily on immigration.If people want to live here they should try to follow the basic culture of this country and not demand so many special rights!

[wyk]

I was thinking if I wanted to move to India, China, Russia, France, Iran, etc., wouldn't it be in my best interests to become fluent in the country's official language and adapt to the standard way of living.  I wouldn't expect everything to be in English, and I wouldn't expect everything to be done the way I am used to in Canada. I'd need to adapt to the country, not except the country to adapt to me. So why when people that move to Canada from those same countries expect Canada and Canadian-born citizens to adapt to them and when we don't they call us racist and file complaints with the CRTC and governments?

[FU~]

When my ancestors moved here they didn't need to speak Cree or Ojibway as they moved in the 40's.

[wyk]

quote:Originally posted by HomoDave

So when your ancestors moved here why didn't they learn to speak Cree or Ojibway?

What is your point trying to compare something that happened in the 1700s with 2007?  We all know what the Anglo-Saxons did and why they did not learn the aboriginal language.  That's why Canada is French or English-speaking, not Punjabi, Spanish, Russian, Japanese, Mexican, or whatever language.  That's what Allen was trying to say, if you aren't going to learn English or French and take on what is Canada's standard identity (remember the RCMP thing), then really, why are you here then?

[Ralph Klein]

quote:Originally posted by HomoDave

So you think immigrants shouldn't have the same rights and freedoms as 'REAL' Canadians?
You're also missing a key point here that Canada is trying to ATTRACT immigrants not drive them away

Go smoke another fatty dave.[]

[Fornicator]

quote:Originally posted by HomoDave

So when your ancestors moved here why didn't they learn to speak Cree or Ojibway?

The Indians were conquered and European values, customs, languages and laws, particularly of the British and French varities, defined our nation.

What happened to the Indians is a perfect example of what happens when newcomers don't assimilate--and I sure as heck don't want my country becoming another India or China.

[Ralph Klein]

quote:Originally posted by Fornicator

quote:Originally posted by HomoDave

So when your ancestors moved here why didn't they learn to speak Cree or Ojibway?

The Indians were conquered and European values, customs, languages and laws, particularly of the British and French varities, defined our nation.

What happened to the Indians is a perfect example of what happens when newcomers don't assimilate--and I sure as heck don't want my country becoming another India or China.

The indians are conquered people so why does the government still give them handouts?[}:)]

[UrbanCityDreams]

what is "fitting in"?

last time i heard even most white bred children in high schools have problems fitting in and encounter identity issues.

Bruce allen is a dumb jock mentality, but that is valued as evident by the high school football quarterback and barbie cheerleader's image as the ideal position to aspire for.

no matter how canadian a colored person is on the inside, they are still often looked at as foreigners at face value.

He is self righteous and believes everyone should be the loud assed obnoxious arrogant

[Fornicator]

Victim mentallity, UCD.

I consider everybody "Canadian" until they prove otherwise.

Unfortunately, all too often, the otherwise is proven.

[UrbanCityDreams]

bruce allen is like a bully that picks on the nerd or mental handicap in the class

[Ralph Klein]

quote:Originally posted by UrbanCityDreams

bruce allen is like a bully that picks on the nerd or mental handicap in the class

He has a right to as a true Canadian.[]

[Lise]

Well, Mr. Bruce Allen is certainly entitled to his opinions and I don't condemn him for it. I just think it's a bit misguided and narrow-minded.

It's not so easy to fit in straight away. If you were to go to a foreign country to live in (be it for whatever reason), I don't think you can just throw away your whole identity. Afterall, your culture, your upbringing is what defined you and made you who you are. To discard that, is to discard your whole being and identity.

I do think that as an immigrant, you should accept Canadian culture into your lifestyle. Not to say to assimilate it totally but to accept that this is a wonderful way of life and to appreciate everything Canadian around you. I just don't think that you should loose your former life to make way for this one. Keep a balance of both and you will find that it only only enriches your life but makes you a stronger and more aware being.

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for Canadian culture and I love Canada for its people and openess but at the same time, I love who I am, I love the culture I come from and I would never trade it for all the money in the world.

That is something Mr. Allen will sadly never understand.

[Lise]

It is whatever is around you, HomoDave. Every part of the world has its own culture, it's quirks and unique sense of identity. Nobody in their right frame of mine would lumped the American culture and the Canadian culture together.

For each person, it is a different perspective. For me, the Canadian culture entails all that is good and positive, the right to vote, the right to be an individual, the right to choose whoever you want... and the right to talk about these things here in the forum. So for me, those are the things that made up the Canadian culture.

Now excuse me while I stand and salute the moose.

[Lise]

It isn't a trick question to me, HD. Like I said, it's different for everyone. There IS a Canadian culture there... you literally have to be in a different country then coming here to experience it. There is a distinct unique quality about it. I can't describe it but it's there.

And yes, I do agree with you about the American statement. It isn't American and I'm sure glad it isn't.

[NSgirl]

I don't know what all the fuss was about anyway! The main issue was about changing the laws of this land to suit a select few!

Quote...


"It seems more and more that we are being pilloried by special interest groups that just want to make special rules for themselves," he said. "This is easy to solve: these are the rules, there's the door. If you don't like the rules, hit it. We don't need you here. You have another place to go -- it's called home. See ya."


He specifically mentioned RCMP officers who wear turbans instead of the traditional hat, and a decision by Elections Canada to allow women to wear burkas to vote, "when it's clear voters have to be able to be identified at the polls."


Allen said, "We have laws in this country. They are spelled out and they're easy to get a hold of. If you're immigrating to this country and you don't like the rules that are in place then you have the right to choose not to live here."

I agree with this, sorry,to offend people,but it is a matter of choice.Learn about the STYLE of life [is that better then culture] You can still keep your family traditions at home with your family but when it comes to wearing helmets on bikes and showing your face to vote, not carring big swords to work etc that is our style of dealing with rules and we should enforce it!

[Lise]

There's no black or white issue about this. If we should stop at the helmets and carrying of knives, can you imagine where it would go? Part of being in Canada is the right to wear religious items or whatever (even if one does not agree with it), it is the right to the individual to do what they want. It isn't a matter of what's right or wrong, it's a matter of their choice.

If we take away their rights then are we no better than a dictator? Why not just stop there? Why not tell someone to stop breast feeding in public because it doesn't feel right? Why not tell someone to cut their hair short because long hair might endanger him or her? Do you see? If we start handling out these limitation, we become tyrants and then the right to do what we want becomes meaningless.

I'm not saying what some of these immigrants do is right. I think wearing a helmet is better than wearing a turban (for obvious safety reason) and that wearing the burkas to vote is wrong. (burkas should not be invented in the first place) But I believe it is their choice, their decision and who am I to step in and tell them what to do? I don't know enough about their culture, I have not step into their shoes, I don't know what their reason for them doing what they do. So I respect their decision, I can voice my opinion but I'm sure as hell not going to tell them what to do.

[DDD]

HomoDave can f*** OFF ...........SCUM BOY

[Ralph Klein]

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[UrbanCityDreams]

Fornicator


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Originally posted by HomoDave

So when your ancestors moved here why didn't they learn to speak Cree or Ojibway?

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The Indians were conquered and European values, customs, languages and laws, particularly of the British and French varities, defined our nation.

What happened to the Indians is a perfect example of what happens when newcomers don't assimilate--and I sure as heck don't want my country becoming another India or China.

so because there are indians and chinese here then it is automatically india or china? Think of it as Nova India, or Nova China much like Nova Scotia.

Which is a new state that wants to be different than China or India but still infused with taken what they enjoyed about their cultures.

It's great,

only white's complain because they are being "invaded" just like how the natives got invaded. Differnce is Asians and Indians use their brains not sick tactics like genocide.

[Ralph Klein]

Homodave is an asshole.[]